David K still lies away! Blown Away

In an article by David K. (Is his last name potassium?)

Headed: More lies by Climate Denialists.

Starting from the title, what a stupid statement! Is there anyone who denies that there is climate. Good Heavens, K, wake up and smell the roses.

I think he means Anthropogenic Global Warming (AGW) Denialists. I proudly stick my hand up.

Then he says "The truth: There is a scientific consensus based on decades of research. And every major scientific organization in the world agrees." Another stupid statement. True scientists push and probe at any hypothesis. AGW is an unproven hypothesis. Scientific Consensus is an oxymoron. Hey K! Have a look at petitionproject.org and count the more than 31,000 US Scientists that don't agree with your "consensus." Myth busted. Truth one is a lie!

Shot down, clown.

The truth: There really are only a handful of scientists that are most often cited, and they are all associated with free market lobbying groups whose mission it is to deny anything that might result in regulations they don't like.

31000 is just a few more than a handful. The handful is on the AGW alarmist side and they are all on the public purse. Oh Dear, K. Another blown away!

I couldn't be bothered to go beyond that. Surely you would start with your strongest points first and they have all been blown out of the water.

Don't worry. old deKay. All will out soon! The US chamber of commerce is out to expose the sham scam:


The U.S. Chamber of Commerce, trying to ward off potentially sweeping federal emissions regulations, is pushing the Environmental Protection Agency to hold a rare public hearing on the scientific evidence for man-made climate change.

Chamber officials say it would be "the Scopes monkey trial of the 21st century" -- complete with witnesses, cross-examinations and a judge who would rule, essentially, on whether humans are warming the planet to dangerous effect.

The proposed finding has drawn more than 300,000 public comments. Many of them question scientists' projections that rising temperatures will lead to increased mortality rates, harmful pollution and extreme weather events such as hurricanes.

In light of those comments, the chamber will tell the EPA in a filing today that a trial-style public hearing, which is allowed under the law but nearly unprecedented on this scale, is the only way to "make a fully informed, transparent decision with scientific integrity based on the actual record of the science."

Greenpeace Leader Admits Arctic Ice Exaggeration

Gerd Leipold, the outgoing leader of Greenpeace, admitted that his organization's recent claim that the Arctic Ice will disappear by 2030 was "a mistake."

Do you think we are being misled? If so, let your member know.

Hi Folk!

I think we are being fooled by the media into thinking that the majority of people are in favour of the RET and the CPRS and the ETS.
The problem is that people aren’t being given the facts.
For the last 2+ years I ask anybody and everybody I talk to about AGW.
Up to date most haven’t had a clue what it is all about but they want to know and are frustrated that they can’t find out.
And 80%+ have this suspicion that they are in the process of being had.

But it would appear that the word is gradually getting out.
Just looking at the letters to the editor now compared to a year ago is enlightening.
A local radio station talk host has had an open line for the last two afternoons on AGW and the ETS.
By the end of today he was pleading for someone who was in favour of these bills to call in just to show he was willing to talk to the green side.
Nobody did.

I agree with (Party Member) Alan that talking to the senators, who are the ones voting on this issue would be beneficial, but I suspect that even if they have an open mind on the issue, the party line will rule.

Talking to the voters is hard, but at least talkback radio has the possibility of being our version of the US town-hall meetings, which have been decimating the proposed US government medical bill.

If our members called in to their local talk back radio at least once a week with a short to-the-point message we may start getting our message across.

The messages would need to be educational and focussed on just one or two points.

Eg:

• From unpublished observations it is clear that Antarctica and the Arctic are not rapidly melting. It is always interesting that the green, alarm raising photo spreads are always from “summer” photos when melting has always occurred.That’s a bit like showing January photos of our ski resorts and saying that their lack of snow is due to GW.

Do you think we are being misled? If so, let your member know.


• Although the government says that CO2 is the major GHG it’s not.
Water vapour and the clouds that form from it make up 95% of the GHG.
CO2 is only 4%. The reason why water vapour is left out is because the government can’t control it. And controlling all of us is one of their objectives.

Do you think we are being misled? If so, let your member know.


• Green Electrical Power.
Lets take a power plant that is rated at 100MW. If its fuel is coal or gas it will produce power for 20 hours a day or 20MWh/day. (megawatt hours/day) If it is solar or wind it will only produce 5 MWh/day.

And it is the MWhs that is what is available for people and industry to use.
That means we need 4 x 100MW green power stations to be installed to replace one carbon fuelled plant.
Not only that but because we don’t know when these green plants will produce their power we need an active carbon or hydro plant ready to take over when the wind drops or the sun goes down.

Do you think we are being misled? If so, let your member know.


The government has said that the increase to your power bills will be the only extra cost you incur. It has been pointed out that farmers and other businesses will also pass on their yet unknown extra costs,
But one that isn’t ever mentioned is your local council, who has huge power bills to keep street lights and office buildings, libraries, theatres etc & recreational facilities powered. Guess who will pay?

Do you think we are being misled? If so, let your member know.

So guys have a think about whether a “sowing the seeds of doubt” via talkback, the press or to general electronic sites would be beneficial.


Cheers,

John Ibbotson

Plans for Poverty

Plans for Poverty.
12 August 2009

A Statement by Mr Viv Forbes, Chairman, The Carbon Sense Coalition, Australia.

The Chairman of the Carbon Sense Coalition, Mr Viv Forbes, today claimed that both the Turnbull and the Wong Decarbonisation plans were “Plans for Poverty”.

Forbes explains:


“The Turnbull plan aims to reduce 2020 emissions to 90% of the 2000 level.

“But we have moved on from the year 2000. To get back to 90% of 2000 would require a 20% cut on today’s activities. Moreover, the population by 2020 will be at least 30% above that in 2000. So the Turnbull carbon cuts will need to be more than 33% per capita.

“Emissions are produced by everything we do – if we use electricity, steel, cement, timber, cars, trucks, planes, ships, trains or food from farms, we will always produce emissions. Even people sleeping on the beach burn carbon food energy and emit carbon dioxide. How is each Australian going to trim carbon usage by 33%?

“2020 is just a decade away. There is no chance that wind, solar, geothermal or carbon burial will overcome their technical, engineering, infrastructure, environmental, transmission, economic and stability problems quickly enough to generate significant quantities of emissions-free base load electricity in that time.

“That leaves only three ways to achieve the Turnbull cuts – the Green Option, the Secret Plan or the Unspeakable Option.

“The Green Option requires less use of modern technology - a return to candles and chip heaters, wood stoves and wind pumps, charcoal burners and steam engines, sulkies and bicycles, horse power and sailing clippers, possum stew and kangaroo tail soup, mud bricks, shingle roofs and cement floors made from ant bed and cow manure. Some things will disappear unless Malcolm has plans for airships lifted by political hot air, for night-time power generated from moonbeams using lunar panels, or for vegie-steak produced from algae growing in backyard ponds of poo.

“Reducing population will definitely achieve cuts in emissions without cuts in living standards. Is that the Secret Plan?

“Or of course we always have the Unspeakable Option – a crash program to build nuclear power plants in the Latrobe, the Hunter, the Barossa, the Fitzroy and the Pilbara.

“Compared to these options, maybe a bit more harmless carbon dioxide in the atmosphere is not so bad after all?

“The Wong plan and the Turnbull plan are Plans for Poverty.

“Both should be rejected.”

Viv Forbes
info@carbon-sense.com
Chairman, The Carbon Sense Coalition

MS 23 Rosewood Qld 4340 Australia
0754 640 533

Mr Forbes is Chairman of the Carbon Sense Coalition, based in Australia, a rapidly growing organisation of scientists, engineers and voters concerned at the baseless and senseless demonization of the harmless plant food, carbon dioxide.

Trading F...wits

From the SMH 15/8/09:

It was in the garden of the Hyatt Regency Coolum Hotel on Queensland's Sunshine Coast after a spirited debate on climate change at the annual Consilium conference of the Centre for Independent Studies.

The sceptic was one of Australia's most successful entrepreneurs, Peter Farrell, founder of ResMed, a company that generates about $1billion a year selling treatments for sleep apnoea.

Farrell believes that while climate change may be real, it's not because of human activity. And he's impatient with people who disagree. He met his match.

“Why is everyone a f---wit except you?” fumed Turnbull, the climate change believer.

Well, everyone but Mr Farrell, more than 33,000 US scientists, members of his own party like Tony Abbott, Nick Minchin, Wilson Tuckey, members of his coalition like Barnaby Joyce and Ron Boswell, like respected Australian scientists such as Professors Carter and Plimer, Bill Kininmonth and the members of the newly formed Climate Sceptics party etc etc

Perhaps Mr Farrell should have replied: "“Why is everyone a f---wit except you?”

Trading carbon for disaster - Govt plots against people!

What is it called when a government plots against its people? When people plot against the government, it is called treason; but the reverse...??

From Business Spectator - Commentary by Robert Gottliebsen 7 Aug 2009





-- “When a nation or a company is doing something stupid there will be a trigger that explodes the wrong strategy. In this case it is the Latrobe Valley brown coal power stations. These stations have huge debt repayments and emit a lot of carbon so the Canberra plan was that they should go broke and be bought at token prices.



-- … “Latrobe Valley companies will halt long term maintenance. TRUenergy has already announced this, but at least one or two other Latrobe stations follow … who in their right mind would spend cash when they have no idea whether the generators will be viable in the short and long term because of carbon charges and carbon policy is not known. Last summer every Latrobe Valley station went without a break down – the first time that has happened. This summer the odds are that they will break down. The companies are gradually abandoning long term contracts and going for the spot market which means that when there is a power station failure they will go into an Australian wide bidding process for power, sending prices through the roof. However, there is a limited amount that can be sent to Victoria so Victorians will have the main burden of the price hikes and blackouts."



-- “The banks will have the power to take control of at least one Latrobe Valley power station within six to nine months. They will be trying to extract as much money from the station as possible so will also cease long term maintenance and go for spot prices. If Australian and Victoria think the blackouts next summer are going to be bad wait for the following year when the full impact hits the nation.

Cullin' Kevin's Carbon Crisis

Why Kill me, Cullin' Kevin?

Concern on Carbon Costs of Camel Cull.

A Statement by Mr Viv Forbes, Chairman, The Carbon Sense Coalition, Australia.

The Chairman of the Carbon Sense Coalition, Mr Viv Forbes, today claimed that the plan by Australian PM Rudd to cull one million camels may have unexpected carbon tax consequences.

Forbes explains:

“PM Rudd proposes to spend $19 million shooting one million wild camels.

“A big camel probably weighs about a tonne, so Mr Rudd is going to let a million tonnes of valuable meat rot under the Centralian sun.

“Each camel probably has about 190 kg of carbon sequestered in its body. As it rots and absorbs oxygen, this carbon will increase into about 700 kg of carbon dioxide which will then dissipate into the atmosphere.

“If the Australian Senate is silly enough to pass the Wong carbon dioxide Ration-n-Tax Scheme this shootout will thus trigger a huge carbon tax liability.

“At a carbon emission price of say $40 per tonne of carbon dioxide, the carbon tax on one million rotting camels would be about $28 million.

“If we add to that the actual cull costs of about $19 million and the carbon tax due on helicopter emissions and other activities, the total cost of the cull is about $50 million.

“This illustrates the dangers of costly unexpected consequences resulting from complex poorly designed bills being rushed through both Australian and US Legislatures by Mr Rudd and his buddy Mr Obama. Luckily Senators in both countries will probably reject this nonsense.

“If not, this $50 million invoice for the full costs of the camel shootout should not be presented to the taxpayers, but sent to Cull Commander Senator Garrett.

“This may convince him to chase up a few old Territorian buffalo shooters who could make a tidy profit at no cost to the taxpayer by culling the camels and selling the meat to Taiwan. Or we could sell permits to a few big game hunters. Or sell live camels to the Arabs.”



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Viv Forbes
info@carbon-sense.com
Chairman, The Carbon Sense Coalition
www.carbon-sense.com
MS 23 Rosewood Qld 4340 Australia
0754 640 533